” Even educated men say cut woman legs if she comes out wothout Hijab”
It is very sad for me as being a muslim woman that muslim men are becoming more extrimist about women.
One day i have chanc eto chat with a man student of english litrature. i was very happy in the beggining but
completly disappointed st the end of my chat with him. how this happend read it. i m sharing it with you.
khudija_copre (11:06:39 PM): are u from english forums
naeem_jon (11:06:49 PM): if u dont mind can i ask abt ur qualification
naeem_jon (11:07:08 PM): ys
naeem_jon (11:07:08 PM): i am
naeem_jon (11:07:14 PM): i usually check it for update
khudija_copre (11:07:18 PM): i m student of mass communication
naeem_jon (11:07:30 PM): thats good
naeem_jon (11:07:43 PM): acutally i am the student of eng. literature
khudija_copre (11:07:55 PM): ok can u tell me the right sentences
naeem_jon (11:07:56 PM): its quite different from eng grammar
khudija_copre (11:08:00 PM): very intresting
naeem_jon (11:08:05 PM): but i like eng.gramar as well
khudija_copre (11:08:16 PM): ok
naeem_jon (11:08:40 PM): where are u from
naeem_jon (11:08:44 PM): if u dont mind it
khudija_copre (11:09:12 PM): pakistan
naeem_jon (11:09:26 PM): in which city
khudija_copre (11:09:46 PM): ok did you have read anna kernnine of leo taltsay
khudija_copre (11:10:02 PM): are u also from pakistan
naeem_jon (11:10:12 PM): yes
khudija_copre (11:10:23 PM): do u like it
naeem_jon (11:10:44 PM): my dear i mean i am also pakitani
naeem_jon (11:10:47 PM): pakistani
khudija_copre (11:10:52 PM): ok
khudija_copre (11:11:02 PM): i was thinking that u have read novel
khudija_copre (11:11:08 PM): well
naeem_jon (11:11:29 PM): actually ia m the student of Previous not of final
naeem_jon (11:11:35 PM): all novers are in final year
khudija_copre (11:11:40 PM): ok
naeem_jon (11:12:00 PM): in previous we are jsut studying history introduction
naeem_jon (11:12:08 PM): and poetry
khudija_copre (11:12:22 PM): i can tell u website which can help you in reading classical novel of english litrature
khudija_copre (11:12:33 PM): www.bartleby.com
naeem_jon (11:12:36 PM): realy
naeem_jon (11:12:47 PM): thats good
khudija_copre (11:12:54 PM): here u can download novels of great english writers
khudija_copre (11:13:07 PM): yes i have read it from this web site
naeem_jon (11:13:18 PM): i am wonder how u like novel
naeem_jon (11:13:34 PM): b/c ur the student of Mass comunication
naeem_jon (11:13:42 PM): thats intersting things
naeem_jon (11:13:52 PM): do read novels and poetry
naeem_jon (11:14:04 PM): its of great merits
khudija_copre (11:14:07 PM): i have passion for litrature from my childhood
naeem_jon (11:14:18 PM): ohhhhhhhhh
khudija_copre (11:14:31 PM): it is not because i m student of mass comm
naeem_jon (11:14:32 PM): so why u didnot got admission it literature
naeem_jon (11:14:52 PM): better u should study it
khudija_copre (11:14:54 PM): just because i want to be a journalist
naeem_jon (11:15:17 PM): i will pray for u and ur succes
khudija_copre (11:15:57 PM): thanx
naeem_jon (11:16:18 PM): ok i forgotten abt ur introduction
naeem_jon (11:16:38 PM): 1st we should introduce our self to each other
naeem_jon (11:16:51 PM): my name Is Naeem khan Durrani
naeem_jon (11:17:04 PM): iam from peshawar and as u know the student of Eng literature
khudija_copre (11:17:10 PM): Khudija Aijaz Cheema
khudija_copre (11:17:21 PM): living in Sailkot
naeem_jon (11:17:45 PM): woooo
naeem_jon (11:18:01 PM): the native land of Allama Iqbal
khudija_copre (11:18:12 PM): yes
naeem_jon (11:18:15 PM): then u will know many verses of him
khudija_copre (11:18:35 PM): i now but not many
naeem_jon (11:19:03 PM): oh my dear u should know even the whole books of him
naeem_jon (11:19:19 PM): he was realy a great poet
khudija_copre (11:19:36 PM): u r right
khudija_copre (11:19:40 PM): yes he is
naeem_jon (11:19:59 PM): People are succeded not from their mind but from their determination
naeem_jon (11:20:12 PM): it is the qutatoin of A iqbal
khudija_copre (11:20:15 PM): very nice it is true
naeem_jon (11:20:50 PM): yes
naeem_jon (11:20:57 PM): do u have Head phone
naeem_jon (11:21:11 PM): i want to talk with u on mic
khudija_copre (11:21:21 PM): oh i cant
naeem_jon (11:21:32 PM): why
naeem_jon (11:21:38 PM): ?
khudija_copre (11:21:44 PM): be cause i cant
naeem_jon (11:21:56 PM): u cant what u cant
khudija_copre (11:22:14 PM): i cant talk with u
naeem_jon (11:22:40 PM): why is ther any problem
naeem_jon (11:23:37 PM): ok as u wish
naeem_jon (11:23:48 PM): its does not matter
khudija_copre (11:23:56 PM): thanx for not insisting
naeem_jon (11:24:23 PM): u know i am not in thoes people who insist upon every thing
khudija_copre (11:24:31 PM): nice
naeem_jon (11:24:36 PM): we are litrary people
naeem_jon (11:24:42 PM): we cant hurt any one
naeem_jon (11:24:52 PM): we are so sensitive
khudija_copre (11:25:12 PM): ok if u find time than plz read that novel
naeem_jon (11:25:27 PM): yes why not i will read it
khudija_copre (11:25:32 PM): i want to discuss its characters with any body
khudija_copre (11:25:36 PM): thanx
naeem_jon (11:26:08 PM): yes will read it for u
khudija_copre (11:26:49 PM): u live in pashawar would u like to tell me about ur city
naeem_jon (11:27:05 PM): yes why not
naeem_jon (11:27:12 PM): what u wana to know abt
khudija_copre (11:27:12 PM): what is the situation of law and order in ur city
naeem_jon (11:27:45 PM): my dear i dont know much abt law and regulation of courts
naeem_jon (11:27:53 PM): u knwo its something else
khudija_copre (11:27:56 PM): do u believe that governments deal with taliban will be successful
khudija_copre (11:28:04 PM): now about courts regulation
khudija_copre (11:28:20 PM): but situation of peace
naeem_jon (11:28:29 PM): 1st u should knwo abt the history and background of taliban
khudija_copre (11:28:33 PM): not abuot court law
naeem_jon (11:28:41 PM): who are taliban
naeem_jon (11:28:44 PM): u know
khudija_copre (11:28:44 PM): u dont know
khudija_copre (11:28:47 PM): ?
naeem_jon (11:28:49 PM): i know
khudija_copre (11:28:55 PM): i know but not fully
khudija_copre (11:29:04 PM): i read clomuns daily
naeem_jon (11:29:16 PM): there are three types of taliban in our country
naeem_jon (11:29:21 PM): dont belive in news
khudija_copre (11:29:25 PM): ok
khudija_copre (11:29:29 PM): plz tell me
naeem_jon (11:29:34 PM): it is 85% false
khudija_copre (11:29:41 PM): ok
naeem_jon (11:29:45 PM): so i was talkin abt taliban
naeem_jon (11:30:01 PM): ther are 3 kinds of taliban in our country
khudija_copre (11:30:09 PM): ok
naeem_jon (11:30:12 PM): ever in the world
naeem_jon (11:30:28 PM): 1st type of talibans belong to USA
khudija_copre (11:30:49 PM): right
naeem_jon (11:30:50 PM): the are the C.I.As of us army
khudija_copre (11:31:04 PM): i understand that
naeem_jon (11:31:16 PM): they inform them abt the currnt situation
naeem_jon (11:31:30 PM): the second ones are the terorists
naeem_jon (11:31:43 PM): the just spread fear and chaos n the country
khudija_copre (11:31:55 PM): yes right
naeem_jon (11:32:05 PM): in order that people would hate them
naeem_jon (11:32:31 PM): and the 3rd one is the true taliban which are in very few numbers
naeem_jon (11:32:42 PM): the are the real protecter of Islam
khudija_copre (11:32:52 PM): okkkk
khudija_copre (11:33:26 PM): i dont think for protecting islam we need arms and fights
khudija_copre (11:34:02 PM): u know in subcontinent Islam was spread by Suffia Ikrams
khudija_copre (11:34:25 PM): and people who acted according to islamic Sharia
khudija_copre (11:34:35 PM): they spread message of love
khudija_copre (11:34:53 PM): and in return made whole contenent their follower
naeem_jon (11:34:59 PM): one day i was listning Dr zakir nike
naeem_jon (11:34:59 PM): listen me for a while
naeem_jon (11:35:11 PM): yes thats right
khudija_copre (11:35:12 PM): we just need to act like true muslims
naeem_jon (11:35:18 PM): i belive it
naeem_jon (11:35:18 PM): but
naeem_jon (11:35:45 PM): there were some Mujahedeen at the time of Hazrat Mohammad Pbuh
naeem_jon (11:35:57 PM): if u remembered
khudija_copre (11:36:00 PM): yes
khudija_copre (11:36:12 PM): i remember
naeem_jon (11:36:26 PM): ok i was talking abt zakir nike
naeem_jon (11:36:30 PM): do u know him
naeem_jon (11:36:34 PM): ?
khudija_copre (11:36:37 PM): yes
khudija_copre (11:36:51 PM): i visit his web site when i found time
khudija_copre (11:36:58 PM): i know him
naeem_jon (11:37:07 PM): one day i was listning him
naeem_jon (11:37:20 PM): he was delivering lecture upon terorism
khudija_copre (11:37:36 PM): ok what he said
naeem_jon (11:37:40 PM): a christian ask the question abt terorism
naeem_jon (11:37:51 PM): he told to zakir nike taht muslims are terorism
naeem_jon (11:38:16 PM): Zakir nike replied that yes i am proud that they are
naeem_jon (11:38:51 PM): it is the duty of every muslim to spread fear in the world in order to trotect their religion
naeem_jon (11:38:56 PM): protect
khudija_copre (11:39:11 PM): ok
naeem_jon (11:39:58 PM): he told to that christian if a muslim comes in ur country and starts aginst ur religion so what will
be ur respnse towards that muslim
naeem_jon (11:40:19 PM): definitly u will fight with him
naeem_jon (11:40:36 PM): so same is the case with muslims
khudija_copre (11:40:46 PM): right
naeem_jon (11:40:51 PM): usa are desturbing the muslim of the world
khudija_copre (11:41:04 PM): very true
naeem_jon (11:41:15 PM): so it is the duty of muslms to fight with non.muslims
naeem_jon (11:41:38 PM): so the true taliban are acting upon the same issu
naeem_jon (11:42:03 PM): do u understand
khudija_copre (11:42:22 PM): yes but i m not satisfied
naeem_jon (11:42:38 PM): why
naeem_jon (11:42:51 PM): abt what ?
khudija_copre (11:42:57 PM): u know in their fight woth usa i pray for taliban to win
khudija_copre (11:43:05 PM): but i dont like them too
khudija_copre (11:43:37 PM): because they want to spread islam of their own liking
naeem_jon (11:43:38 PM): oh my dear why u dont like them
naeem_jon (11:43:47 PM): no no my dear
khudija_copre (11:43:53 PM): they force opthers to do what they like
naeem_jon (11:44:01 PM): no one can bring ever a single change in islam
naeem_jon (11:44:16 PM): even
khudija_copre (11:44:16 PM): they dont like to educate their daughters
naeem_jon (11:44:32 PM): who told u that they dont like
khudija_copre (11:44:44 PM): u know how many girls schools have been shut in northren areas
naeem_jon (11:44:53 PM): they say do educate ur daughter and sisters
khudija_copre (11:45:43 PM): u dont know that they have colsed even existing schools in swat and many other tribal areas
khudija_copre (11:46:16 PM): they force them to tkae hijab
naeem_jon (11:46:51 PM): ok u talking abt swat
naeem_jon (11:47:01 PM): my dear they are not the realy talibans
naeem_jon (11:47:16 PM): actually the are force of US
khudija_copre (11:47:42 PM): it does not matter who force them
khudija_copre (11:47:54 PM): but many of our ulams follow them bilndly
khudija_copre (11:48:35 PM): and they really have force money
khudija_copre (11:48:40 PM): both
khudija_copre (11:49:04 PM): but ur real taliban are invisible
naeem_jon (11:49:09 PM): sory dear i was disconected
khudija_copre (11:49:17 PM): nobody talk about them
naeem_jon (11:49:23 PM): yes
khudija_copre (11:49:39 PM): what we should do to stop this
khudija_copre (11:50:15 PM): u know in cannada i muslim ans pakistani killed her daughter because she deny to take hijab
naeem_jon (11:50:17 PM): its quite difficult to stop them
khudija_copre (11:51:01 PM): but they are destroying Islam’s image all over the world
naeem_jon (11:51:02 PM): hijaab is the 1st duty of a muslim women
naeem_jon (11:51:59 PM): my dear it is the duty of every muslim women to take hijab whenever she wana to go out
khudija_copre (11:52:03 PM): and a few days ago a muslim and pakistani man killed her daughter becuse she want to take divarce from her husband
khudija_copre (11:52:41 PM): i know but it does not mean that u kill any body who dont want to take
naeem_jon (11:52:50 PM): i dont claim that all the muslim are true muslims
naeem_jon (11:53:05 PM): its islamic rules
naeem_jon (11:53:23 PM): if a women do not take hijab and without taking it goes out side cut her legs
khudija_copre (11:53:33 PM): who say
naeem_jon (11:53:48 PM): i am not
naeem_jon (11:53:54 PM): its in islamic ruls
khudija_copre (11:53:59 PM): i have read Quran’s Tafseer of Abu al mudoody And
khudija_copre (11:54:16 PM): on other very famous too but i have not read so
naeem_jon (11:54:18 PM): wat he says
khudija_copre (11:54:44 PM): where ever in quran Allah has asked women to take hijab
khudija_copre (11:55:12 PM): he has siad that spread ur shawls on ur head and chest
khudija_copre (11:55:19 PM): and lower ur gaze
khudija_copre (11:56:12 PM): and same emphsis is on men too that they should lower their gaze when walking on roads and that should
not stop on roads in the form of folks
khudija_copre (11:56:37 PM): but nobody ask them to do so why all the emphsis is on women hijab
naeem_jon (11:56:41 PM): yes u r right
khudija_copre (11:56:52 PM): why that men eyes not bring out whgo stare at women
naeem_jon (11:57:10 PM): have u read Sora Yousaf
khudija_copre (11:57:17 PM): and if the y do so belive me 90 percent of men will be bilnd
naeem_jon (11:57:30 PM): hahaha
naeem_jon (11:57:31 PM): very good
khudija_copre (11:57:39 PM): yes
khudija_copre (11:57:47 PM): many times
naeem_jon (11:57:50 PM): what
naeem_jon (11:58:02 PM): what Allah says there abt women
khudija_copre (11:58:11 PM): Surah Yousaf
naeem_jon (11:58:18 PM): yes
naeem_jon (11:58:31 PM): have u notis it
khudija_copre (11:58:38 PM): what
naeem_jon (11:58:51 PM): Allah says that women are the roote of all evils
naeem_jon (11:59:11 PM): there lies evil under every of her haif
naeem_jon (11:59:13 PM): hair
naeem_jon (11:59:44 PM): i forgot that vers other wise i would recite it now for ur convinion
khudija_copre (12:00:15 AM): than u should not touch their hair and ascape ur self from there evil
khudija_copre (12:00:23 AM): i remember that
naeem_jon (12:00:29 AM): ahha
naeem_jon (12:00:30 AM): its jsut like proverb
naeem_jon (12:00:44 AM): its means that women are the root of all evils
khudija_copre (12:01:04 AM): but u should see that in it context
khudija_copre (12:01:44 AM): plz without looking at the cause of the nazool of that verse u cant understand it proplerly
khudija_copre (12:01:58 AM): i dont blieve it
naeem_jon (12:02:21 AM): thats ur matter whether u belive or not
khudija_copre (12:02:30 AM): if we are evil than y Allah allow u angels to marry women
khudija_copre (12:02:36 AM): what do u think
naeem_jon (12:02:43 AM): haha
khudija_copre (12:02:44 AM): mother is also women
naeem_jon (12:02:50 AM): yes
naeem_jon (12:02:56 AM): yes why not
khudija_copre (12:02:59 AM): she is not evil
naeem_jon (12:03:05 AM): no never
khudija_copre (12:03:08 AM): she is just love
naeem_jon (12:03:29 AM): my dear u didnot understand my lecutrs
naeem_jon (12:03:54 AM): if u say that women are evils so why Allah had created it
naeem_jon (12:04:04 AM): so just imagin abt the Satan
naeem_jon (12:04:08 AM): why
naeem_jon (12:04:16 AM): Allah had created him
naeem_jon (12:04:28 AM): jsut for exam
khudija_copre (12:04:33 AM): but he did not creat any goos
khudija_copre (12:04:56 AM): but a woman had give birth to prophets too
naeem_jon (12:05:14 AM): yes guite right
khudija_copre (12:05:26 AM): and evil cant do so
naeem_jon (12:05:30 AM): quite right
khudija_copre (12:05:37 AM): ok i belive in zakar nike
khudija_copre (12:05:51 AM): just ask him are women evil?
naeem_jon (12:06:07 AM): my dear i not taliking abt it
naeem_jon (12:06:12 AM): that every women will be
khudija_copre (12:06:28 AM): u know that Eden is under the foot of mother a woman
khudija_copre (12:06:41 AM): can it be so if women are evil
naeem_jon (12:06:47 AM): but just imagin if u women will not come out of their homes
naeem_jon (12:07:12 AM): yes my dear i belive it
khudija_copre (12:07:29 AM): than every thing will be ok
khudija_copre (12:07:32 AM): haha
naeem_jon (12:08:21 AM): u know all women wanted freedome
khudija_copre (12:08:29 AM): ok in tribal areas women dont have any right they dont come outside
khudija_copre (12:08:44 AM): but y things are not right there
naeem_jon (12:09:17 AM): thats good question
naeem_jon (12:09:19 AM): i apreciate u
naeem_jon (12:09:36 AM): actually in tribal areas there lacking islam
naeem_jon (12:09:57 AM): they follow the law of Pashto
naeem_jon (12:10:17 AM): they are pakhtoons
khudija_copre (12:10:33 AM): ok do u remember that Hadith of Mohammad SAW
naeem_jon (12:10:34 AM): they are illetrate
naeem_jon (12:10:41 AM): uneducated
naeem_jon (12:10:47 AM): which one
khudija_copre (12:11:03 AM): that every muslim man and woman should get education
khudija_copre (12:11:28 AM): it obligatry for them even thogu for it they have to go china
naeem_jon (12:11:42 AM): so i have told u in the early chat that our islam says that every muslim should get education
khudija_copre (12:12:01 AM): but in this case woment have to come out
naeem_jon (12:12:18 AM): but in hijab not without it
khudija_copre (12:12:22 AM): and that is not right according to u
naeem_jon (12:12:35 AM): they should keep their parts of body in viel
khudija_copre (12:12:55 AM): but when men lower their gaze than it not matter for them
naeem_jon (12:13:00 AM): they should hide their face hands foots and all body
khudija_copre (12:13:10 AM): y every duty is for women
naeem_jon (12:13:13 AM): why not its too a great matter
naeem_jon (12:13:24 AM): oh my dear not all for u
khudija_copre (12:13:27 AM): y men dont follow the islam
naeem_jon (12:13:47 AM): if u women hide ur self so how a man can see u
naeem_jon (12:13:52 AM): how they will gaze u
khudija_copre (12:13:54 AM): y men are not killed if they dont lower their gaze
khudija_copre (12:14:14 AM): but in quran it is commanded for them
khudija_copre (12:14:23 AM): than y they dont follow it
khudija_copre (12:14:44 AM): i have never listend any mullah asking men to do this
khudija_copre (12:15:07 AM): but every body love to talk about woemn
naeem_jon (12:15:14 AM): so in nut shell i will try to undrstand u
naeem_jon (12:15:27 AM): if u will undrstand
naeem_jon (12:15:56 AM): every where in this world in pakistan in india.usa every where one thing is lacking
naeem_jon (12:16:03 AM): u know which ;thing
khudija_copre (12:16:11 AM): what
naeem_jon (12:16:18 AM): the true islam and its rules
naeem_jon (12:16:36 AM): if every man and women folllow it so their will be no evil in the world
khudija_copre (12:16:58 AM): know u r right every men and woman
naeem_jon (12:17:13 AM): but u know there are how many groups of islmic preacher
khudija_copre (12:17:17 AM): it is obligatry for both of them
khudija_copre (12:17:25 AM): i know
naeem_jon (12:17:30 AM): i have alreay told u
naeem_jon (12:17:34 AM): man and women
khudija_copre (12:17:54 AM): and i rember one qoute of Khalil Jibran
naeem_jon (12:18:05 AM): yes
naeem_jon (12:18:07 AM): plz
khudija_copre (12:18:47 AM): that people will fight for their relgion they will even give away thier lives but thay will never follow thier religion
naeem_jon (12:19:20 AM): good
naeem_jon (12:19:45 AM): it is quite difficult to be a perfect muslim
naeem_jon (12:19:56 AM): but any how we should try our best to do it
khudija_copre (12:20:53 AM): u r right
khudija_copre (12:21:31 AM): u know i dont believe in forcing
khudija_copre (12:21:45 AM): by force u cant change any body’s heart
naeem_jon (12:22:04 AM): 1st every body should be a kind and noble
naeem_jon (12:22:34 AM): because our great Prophet was a modle of kindness
khudija_copre (12:23:20 AM): we have to type of duties for us
khudija_copre (12:23:35 AM): haqooq ul Allah
khudija_copre (12:23:44 AM): and Haqooq ul Ibad
khudija_copre (12:24:48 AM): well now it is time to go
naeem_jon (12:24:51 AM): yes i 9
khudija_copre (12:25:08 AM): now Allah Hafiz
naeem_jon (12:25:18 AM): ok
naeem_jon (12:25:19 AM): as u wish
naeem_jon (12:25:22 AM): but
naeem_jon (12:25:35 AM): one thing is remaining
khudija_copre (12:25:41 AM): what
naeem_jon (12:25:51 AM): guess ig
naeem_jon (12:25:51 AM): it
khudija_copre (12:26:27 AM): my question on english forum
naeem_jon (12:26:41 AM): hahah
naeem_jon (12:26:44 AM): yes thats too
naeem_jon (12:26:46 AM): but one thing more
khudija_copre (12:26:51 AM): what
khudija_copre (12:26:55 AM): i cant guess
naeem_jon (12:26:59 AM): guess it ntoo
khudija_copre (12:27:26 AM): sorry
naeem_jon (12:27:43 AM): oh my dear u know i dont like soryy and thanks in friendship
naeem_jon (12:27:51 AM): i hate sorry and thanks
khudija_copre (12:28:06 AM): but who said u that i m ur friend
naeem_jon (12:28:25 AM): yes ur right too
khudija_copre (12:28:54 AM): in this world we talk with so many people but they are all not our firend
naeem_jon (12:29:18 AM): very genious u are
khudija_copre (12:29:21 AM): and u should not make an evil ur friend
khudija_copre (12:29:28 AM): u r muslim
naeem_jon (12:29:29 AM): hahaha
khudija_copre (12:29:34 AM): i know what i m
Tags: pakistan, religious, violance, women rights
